Why is it assumed that when Jesus said "I am" (John 8:58), he was calling himself God?

[Afham]

"Jesus said to them, "Most absolutely I say to you, afore Abraham was, I AM." (John 8: 58, New King James Version)

Koine Greek text: eipen autois Ihsous abbey abbey lego humin prin Abraam genesthai ego eimi.

Latin Vulgate: dixit eis Iesus amem abbey dico vobis antequam Abraham fieret ego sum.

Sahidic Coptic: peJe ihsous nau Je Hamhn Hamhn TJw mmos nhtn Je empate abraHam Swpe anok TSoop

Bohairic Coptic: .peJe ihsous nwou Je amhn amhn TJw mmos nwten Je mpate abraam Swpi anok pe

 

[Chetan]

No he wasn't calling himself God.

He was alone adage that he existed afore Abraham, aloof as he existed afore Adam and Eve and Satan.

RS reads: “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, afore Abraham was, I am [Greek, e‧go′ ei‧mi′].’” (NE, KJ, TEV, JB, NAB all apprehend “I am,” some alike application basic belletrist to back the abstraction of a title. Thus they endeavor to affix the announcement with Exodus 3:14, where, according to their rendering, God refers to himself by the appellation “I Am.”) However, in NW the closing allotment of John 8:58 reads: “Before Abraham came into existence, I accept been.” (The aforementioned abstraction is conveyed by the diction in AT, Mo, CBW, and SE.)

Which apprehension agrees with the context? The catechism of the Jews (verse 57) to which Jesus was acknowledging had to do with age, not identity. Jesus’ acknowledgment logically dealt with his age, the breadth of his existence. Interestingly, no accomplishment is anytime fabricated to administer e‧go′ ei‧mi′ as a appellation to the angelic spirit.

Says A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research, by A. T. Robertson: “The verb [ei‧mi′] . . . Sometimes it does accurate actuality as a assert like any added verb, as in [e‧go′ ei‧mi′] (Jo. 8:58).”—Nashville, Tenn.; 1934, p. 394.

 

[Christy]

Every one that EVER said that to me,

I asked them, oh so back addition says to you

who is activity and you accession your duke and say

"I am" you are calling yourself God?

Everytime a man "gives his babe away" in a alliance and they ask "who gives this woman"

a man says I am , or her mother and I am

they are adage they are God?

So absolutely no one can say that after actuality God?

I anticipation God's name meant "causes to become" the aforementioned adaptation as "father" which agency

"causes to appear into existence, originates, activity giver..."

 

[Daley]

The Christology of the Gospel of John puts a abundant accord added accent on the divinity of Jesus, and so uses the indentifying words of the Jewish TANAKH that YHWH uses to call Himself to the people...it's artlessly a arcane accessory - admitting there may possibly accept been some Gnostic access on the association that rallied to the Gospel of John readings (hence the charge to "identify" with the Divine)

 

[tophuong]

In part, it is assumed, because of this verse:

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has beatific me to you.'"

In part, it is assumed, because of the awkward delivery of "I AM" at the end. It seems like poor grammar if Jesus wasn't aggravating to prove a point.

In part, it is assumed, because Jesus is additionally claiming to accept existed afore Abraham and the Jews acknowledgment was stoning. This is the aforementioned acknowledgment as aloof prior:

John 5:18 For this acumen the Jews approved all the harder to annihilate him; not alone was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was alike calling God his own Father, authoritative himself according with God.

I additionally accept that I accept it, because the added genitalia of the Bible accompaniment that Christ is God, so it makes faculty to me that Christ is authoritative this claim.

 

[Maynor]

The acumen for that is simple because Jesus Christ is God, he is god son. The acceptation of god is a amphitheater of three the father, the son, and the angelic spirit. The ancestor is god, the son is Jesus Christ, and the angelic spirit is a allotment of god that advice you make the address decisions, it is like a mini god central you. To beneath angle added apprehend the bible, it is the best awash book in the world.

 

[sontinh_thuy_tinh]

He is implying that God (IAM) was afore Abraham.

In anniversary his Father in Heaven he indicatetes that he had apparent Abraham. God conceivably accustomed Jesus Christ/Yeshua to accept apparent Abraham.

 

[Beaton]

Because He WAS calling himself God:

" I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, The ALMIGHTY." - Jesus (Revel.1:8)

" He that has apparent me has apparent the Father" - Jesus (Jn. 14:9)

" In Him is the adequateness of the Godhead bodily".(Col. 2:9)

" Believe thou not that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? the words that I allege unto you I allege not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLS IN ME....." - Jesus (John 14:10-11)

" I and my Father are one"- Jesus

" Before Abraham was, I Am".- Jesus

" I am appear DOWN FROM HEAVEN, not to do my own will, but the will of Him that beatific me". -- Jesus Christ.

 

[Culbart]

Have you looked at all the added verses acknowledging that Jesus is God?

John 10:30 I and the Father are one."

John 1:1In the alpha was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14And the Word was fabricated flesh, and dwelt amid us, (and we beheld his glory, the celebrity as of the alone begotten of the Father,) abounding of adroitness and truth.

John 14:9 Jesus answered: ...Anyone who has apparent me has apparent the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

 

[Teithi]

It is alleged "Grasping at straws."

“No man has apparent God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bust position with the Father is the one that has explained him.”

 

[Placido]

He was an Honorable man and would not abasement his architect by claiming to be God.

 

[Elroi]

people do not use discernment

Jesus never fabricated such a affirmation

people aberration the scriptures to make it complete how they appetite it to

 

[conbocon]

Jesus is God

 

[Berke]

John 1 ballad 1-2.

 

[dinhphuonglan]

(John 8:58) Jesus said to them: “Most absolutely I say to YOU, Afore Abraham came into existence, I accept been.”

RS reads: “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, afore Abraham was, I am [Greek, e‧go′ ei‧mi′].’” (NE, KJ, TEV, JB, NAB all apprehend “I am,” some alike application basic belletrist to back the abstraction of a title. Thus they endeavor to affix the announcement with Exodus 3:14, where, according to their rendering, God refers to himself by the appellation “I Am.”) However, in NW the closing allotment of John 8:58 reads: “Before Abraham came into existence, I accept been.” (The aforementioned abstraction is conveyed by the diction in AT, Mo, CBW, and SE.)

Which apprehension agrees with the context? The catechism of the Jews (verse 57) to which Jesus was acknowledging had to do with age, not identity. Jesus’ acknowledgment logically dealt with his age, the breadth of his existence. Interestingly, no accomplishment is anytime fabricated to administer e‧go′ ei‧mi′ as a appellation to the angelic spirit.

Says A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research, by A. T. Robertson: “The verb [ei‧mi′] . . . Sometimes it does accurate actuality as a assert like any added verb, as in [e‧go′ ei‧mi′] (Jo. 8:58).”—Nashville, Tenn.; 1934, p. 394.

 

[All]

This is a adverse verse. It can grammatically be translated in added than one way, such that the translations belie anniversary other.

These verses prove annihilation on there own.

Here is a account of some important adverse texts. Though such verses are rare, they are actual generally cited a "proof" in discussions of the Trinity.

JOHN 1:1

JOHN 1:18

JOHN 3:13

JOHN 8:58

JOHN 14:14

ACTS 20:28

ROMANS 9:5

PHILIPPIANS 2:6

COLOSSIANS 2:9

2 THESSALONIANS 2:12

1 TIMOTHY 3:16

TITUS 2:13

HEBREWS 1:8

2 PETER 1:1

1 JOHN 5:7

REVELATION 1:8

REVELATION 1:11

REVELATION 3:14

 

[Venjamin]

Most bodies are bible illiterate. If Jesus was God he would accept said so actual audibly so we would know. If you accept Jesus was God how do you explain these scriptures?

Mark 10:18.. And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none acceptable but one, that is, God.

Mark 15:34.. And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, absolutist sabachthani? which is, actuality interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Jesus has a God)

John 1:18..No man hath apparent God at any time. (Thousands accept apparent Jesus)

John 14:28..Jesus said "my Father is greater than I." (Jesus is not according to God)

John 17:3..Jesus said...And this is activity eternal, that they ability apperceive thee the alone accurate God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 20:17..Jesus said "I arise unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

1 Corinthians 3:23.. and you accord to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

1 Corinthians 8:6.. But we apperceive that there is alone one God, the Father, who created everything, and we live for him. AND there is alone one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God fabricated aggregate and through whom we accept been accustomed life. (they are two)

1 Corinthians 11:3..But I would accept you know, that the arch of every man is Christ; and the arch of the woman is the man; and the arch of Christ IS GOD

1 Corinthians 15:28 ..Then, back all things are beneath his authority, the Son will put himself UNDER GOD'S AUTHORITY, so that God, who gave his Son ascendancy over all things, will be absolutely absolute over aggregate everywhere.

2 Corinthians 11:31..The GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is adored forever, knows that I am not lying.

Ephesians 1:3.. Adored be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has adored us with every airy absolution in the adorable places in Christ,

Ephesians 1:17 ..that the GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may accord to you the spirit of acumen and adumbration in the ability of Him.

1 Timothy 2:5.. For there is one God and one Advocate amid God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, (Jesus cannot be both God and mediator)

1 Peter 1:3.. Adored be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Revelations 1:1..The Adumbration of Jesus Christ, which GOD gave unto HIM to shew unto his agents things which charge anon appear to pass; and he beatific and adumbrated it by his angel unto his assistant John:

Revelations 5:7... And he (Jesus) came and took the book out of the appropriate duke of him (God) that sat aloft the throne.

Revelations 3:12..Jesus said " He who overcomes, I will make him a colonnade in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will address on him the name of My God and the name of the burghal of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God."

 

[Cedrik]

Jesus (our Lord) the architect is greater than Abraham a creation, I AM, is the name of God, Ex 3:14; it speaks his self-existence; he is the First and the Last, anytime the same, Re 1:8. Thus he was not alone afore Abraham, but afore all worlds, Pr 8:23; Joh 1:1. As Mediator, he was the appointed Messiah, long afore Abraham; the Lamb

slain from the foundation of the world, Re 13:8.

and what about the added verses that point to Jesus divinity?

John 10:30

30 I and the Father are one.”

John 10:33 (King James Version)

33The Jews answered him, saying, For a acceptable assignment we bean thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, actuality a man, makest thyself God.

now acquaint me,why would the jewish leaders appetite to bean him for abuse if He weren't claiming to be God?

John 1:1

1 In the alpha was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

was God, not A god like your adaptation says.

Acts 20:28

28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the army of which the Holy Spirit has fabricated you overseers. Be shepherds of the abbey of God, which he bought with his own blood.

church of God,

bought with His blood!

who's claret was shed??Jesus

who's church??

God's.